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This is something that really irks me about society.  We forget all of someone's horrible acts in life if they were simply good at a profession.  That is an absolutely deplorable reasoning that our world permits.  Chris Benoit's skill in a profession doesn't warrant him praise when he murdered his family (a child included).  Talk of HOF for that man is sickening.  I don't care if he put on 5-star matches, committing such acts warrants his blacklist.

Now, I sympathize with the scientific findings from Chris Nowinski's team - wherein Benoit's brain was to similar to that of an Alzheimer's patient in his 80s, due to the undiagnosed concussions he suffered.  Mental illness is serious and needs more focus.  Independent, it doesn't change the fact that he committed a horrible act and shouldn't be praised for anything in his life thereafter.

I'm with #HEEL - I cannot watch a Benoit match any longer due to his acts.  I remember looking fondly back at his triple threat with HBK and HHH at Wrestlemania - but now, I can't even bring myself to see a 5 second clip.

Related to Benoit being in the HOF (?), someone likened it to Chyna.  I'd argue that Chyna didn't do anything wrong to anyone but herself.  That reasoning from Triple H is absolutely ridiculous.  This stigma around the adult industry is so juvenile.  He sat there and said Chyna can't be brought in because a "google search" would bring up all that she did?  If that's his reasoning, let me ask this...

1. What is Scott Hall in the HOF?  He was an embarassment to the trade.  I loved Razor Ramon and Scott Hall when I was in MS/HS, but he's a joke of a human being who is so deep in his vices that he can't see straight.  What warrants him a HOF induction?

2. Why is Mike Tyson in the HOF?  This man has been a sickening.  He was found guilty of rape!  Yet, he's inducted?  Particularly at a time when the world is hunting down sexual predators in entertainment?  

Triple H's reasoning behind Chyna is simply...stupid.  Let's be honest with the Chyna situation.  The reason she turned out the way she did was because of how badly she was treated by her employer and her boyfriend.  She was cheated out of her relationship by her employer's daughter.  Then her contract wasn't renewed because Vince sided with his daughter.  That was shitty and eventually led to Chyna's downfall.  Mentally, she couldn't handle what happened to her.  There was nowhere to go back then.  WCW was gone, NJPW brought her in for a little bit, but she had no other venue to explore.  So, if I had to guess, the McMahons and HHH didn't want to have to deal with looking at the car wreck that they caused...

...sorry, rant over.  I feel so badly for that woman and what happened to her...
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the Mike Tyson thing hits the nail on the head when it comes to the US attitude to stars with a past.

think about it. R. Kelly had all that shit around him of sleeping with minors and the toilet stuff, and he still gets to be a hot performer and producer. Chris Brown beats his girlfriend badly, and not only is he a celebrated artist right now, but even at the time, there were females fans saying he could beat them anytime. Michael Jackson, nuff said.

OJ Simpson is widely considered now to have actually murder his ex-wife and her new boyfriend, he's just been released for good behaviour for his armed robbery charge without even having spent half of the sentence. the current sex abuse scandal in Hollywood shows that people have not only been able to get away with such horrid crimes for so long, but that the victims will be blamed for destroying the careers of these men. you have Alabama seemingly prepared to get behind a guy who is under investigation for raping a 14 year old because there is no alternative to a Republican candidate, they simply won't vote for a Democrat, even if Moore is found to have raped the girl. there's a guy in the WH whose legal team is doing everything it can to get sexual assaults claims against him either thrown out, or pushed back for the length of his term in office.

and here, we used to be quite good. Paul Gadd outed as a Paedo, we've made sure that he doesn't get a penny anymore, if he goes to any paedo's paradise, those authorities are alerted and he is monitored. Jonathan King doesn't get any of his music on radio or anything else that would require he be paid, same with LostProphets. but then this latest thing hit Westminster, and things went to shit. we already knew the LibDems were aware a senior party member abused kids and they covered it, we now have both the Tories and Labour's current leaders seen to have ignored complaints of serious sexual assault and putting those men in high cabinet positions, ignoring warnings and victims.

in the NFL, you have a player right now who is going up for beating his partner, and all he has really fought to do is not miss a game, and the NFL have allowed him to play. how many times have serious assaults, whether physical or sexual, lead to a player getting suspended, and yet Kaepernick can't be on a team because he knelt in protest to injustice before it was cool to do so. and I've heard some pundits say he wasn't a great QB, yet he's been booted out of the game when he's better than at least a third of the current crop of QBs in the league right now, and again, there are people who have committed serious crimes that are allowed to play while he has done nothing illegal.

while it would be nice to believe that once someone has served their sentence for a crime, that it is behind them, it isn't. there's a reason people who have stolen from the tills or safes at their previous works aren't entrusted in retail again once they get out. there's a reason you can't teach kids again once you've been found to have had a sexual relationship with a student or abused kids. a rapist in prison can take the time and earn a degree in psychology, but that doesn't mean once he gets out, he'll be able to get a job at an abuse womens hostel.

and yes, I agree now, you cannot reward someone for what they do professionally when what they have done in real life affects people. so no HoF place for Booker T for legitimate reasons, compared to no HoF place for either Chyna or Chrissy Hemme because Steph has a problem with them.

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Ermm Booker is in the HOF LOL

As for Benoit I can watch his matches and appreciate what he could do and still think what if....but i'm also one that knows nothing will ever come of his name again, other than those that can appreciate his in-ring work and keep that excellent memory alive.

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Originally posted by ihatethatmonkee ihatethatmonkee wrote:

the Mike Tyson thing hits the nail on the head when it comes to the US attitude to stars with a past.

think about it. R. Kelly had all that shit around him of sleeping with minors and the toilet stuff, and he still gets to be a hot performer and producer. Chris Brown beats his girlfriend badly, and not only is he a celebrated artist right now, but even at the time, there were females fans saying he could beat them anytime. Michael Jackson, nuff said.

OJ Simpson is widely considered now to have actually murder his ex-wife and her new boyfriend, he's just been released for good behaviour for his armed robbery charge without even having spent half of the sentence. the current sex abuse scandal in Hollywood shows that people have not only been able to get away with such horrid crimes for so long, but that the victims will be blamed for destroying the careers of these men. you have Alabama seemingly prepared to get behind a guy who is under investigation for raping a 14 year old because there is no alternative to a Republican candidate, they simply won't vote for a Democrat, even if Moore is found to have raped the girl. there's a guy in the WH whose legal team is doing everything it can to get sexual assaults claims against him either thrown out, or pushed back for the length of his term in office.

and here, we used to be quite good. Paul Gadd outed as a Paedo, we've made sure that he doesn't get a penny anymore, if he goes to any paedo's paradise, those authorities are alerted and he is monitored. Jonathan King doesn't get any of his music on radio or anything else that would require he be paid, same with LostProphets. but then this latest thing hit Westminster, and things went to shit. we already knew the LibDems were aware a senior party member abused kids and they covered it, we now have both the Tories and Labour's current leaders seen to have ignored complaints of serious sexual assault and putting those men in high cabinet positions, ignoring warnings and victims.

in the NFL, you have a player right now who is going up for beating his partner, and all he has really fought to do is not miss a game, and the NFL have allowed him to play. how many times have serious assaults, whether physical or sexual, lead to a player getting suspended, and yet Kaepernick can't be on a team because he knelt in protest to injustice before it was cool to do so. and I've heard some pundits say he wasn't a great QB, yet he's been booted out of the game when he's better than at least a third of the current crop of QBs in the league right now, and again, there are people who have committed serious crimes that are allowed to play while he has done nothing illegal.

while it would be nice to believe that once someone has served their sentence for a crime, that it is behind them, it isn't. there's a reason people who have stolen from the tills or safes at their previous works aren't entrusted in retail again once they get out. there's a reason you can't teach kids again once you've been found to have had a sexual relationship with a student or abused kids. a rapist in prison can take the time and earn a degree in psychology, but that doesn't mean once he gets out, he'll be able to get a job at an abuse womens hostel.

and yes, I agree now, you cannot reward someone for what they do professionally when what they have done in real life affects people. so no HoF place for Booker T for legitimate reasons, compared to no HoF place for either Chyna or Chrissy Hemme because Steph has a problem with them.

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My goodness, I concur with everything you just said.  NFL is a joke of a company.  They are 'debating' whether football players should "kneel" in protest of American policies as of late, but have no issue with players who beat their families, start and support illegal dog fighting gatherings, and the like.  That's fine - but how dare you take a knee in defiance of our racist GOP!  (sarcasm)

Another good example is Michael Jackson.  Great performer, but given his sordid past with children - I can't believe the world just forgets about that and says, "Well, I really love Billie Jean - so, yeah."  

The argument against our beliefs is always the same, "It didn't effect their job".  Didn't it?  Doesn't what they do put a moral question to your company?  Particularly in the entertainment business, those people represent your product outside of the office - so if they do something ill, your business can suffer.  So it DOES effect their job...
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