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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Steven Nyte Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04/February/2015 at 17:03
Its the same with Benoit as with Chyna - like Trips said in Austins podcast, should he be in the HOF based on his wrestling career - absolutely. Will he be in the HoF? Nope. No chance.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote John The Baptist Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04/February/2015 at 17:49
I don't get how some people still don't get it (nobody on here, but the people who still ask this question)

It wasn't a storyline, he really did murder a defenceless woman and a disabled 7 year old.

I can look at Benoit's matches objectively and enjoy them without any strange or uncomfortable feeling, but I totally get why some can't bear to see him and why he's pretty much blacked out in the WWE's history books, he's a fucking murderer for gods sake.

Anyone calling for him to be in the Hall of Fame is either dense or probably trolling.




edit - just saw what Colly said on previous page, didnt copy him lol


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote HBKDX97 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04/February/2015 at 17:58
Its the people who don't have a life outside of wrestling. And I don't mean that sarcastically, but some people truly don't have social skills developed to comprehend something that isn't within their own limited globe of understanding.

Even if you put the analogy of OJ Simpson or etc to them, they would say its different, because wrestling. "His work should be separate from his personal life". Oh yeah? Well how about Jerry, the guy two cubicles down from you at the office. If he did that you'd want to put him up on the company website and glorify him because he was great at accounting?

Its sad to see.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ihatethatmonkee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10/February/2015 at 13:55
Originally posted by MaNonTheMoon MaNonTheMoon wrote:

Better yet, didn't OJ get taken OUT of the NFL HoF for what he did? Either way, there's no way Benoit gets inducted. His only chance was if The É inducted all of the incarnations of The 4 Horsemen instead of the original
 
nope, OJ is still there.
 
mainly, I would guess, because he was, rightly or wrongly, found innocent of the double murder charge.
 
not even the kidnapping and armed robbery charges, which he did get sent down for, in 2008 have had an affect on that.  mainly because of NFL policy, which states that only on-field, not off field, behaviour is taken into account.
 
either way, OJ was already in the HoF for nearly a decade prior to the double murder, so is in no way even applicable to the Benoit incident.
 
Benoit is one of the names that will never go in to the WWE HoF, as will other NFL players whose actions overshadow their on-field accomplishments, mainly because those incidents happen while they are active, and were far too high profile.
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There is no doubt in my mind that this is going to be a hot topic for the next couple of days, because as of today, it has officially been ten years since the murders and subsequent suicide occured. 

I believe like any tragedy, this is okay to talk about. And it's guaranteed that there will be a lot of talk around all about the events that transpired through June 22nd-24th, 2007, and I also believe it is okay to discuss and acknowledge Benoit's contributions to the wrestling world.

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This is easily one of the toughest issues the industry has ever had to deal with.

Chris Benoit went from one of the most revered workers to the most reviled in a matter of days. While there's been all this speculation about brain damage and the trauma he had dealt with, according to Nancy's sister the injuries inflicted suggests that it wasn't some violent confrontation that went horribly wrong and there was plenty of intent from Benoit. The Daniel stuff...I really don't want to touch on because in a sick way it seemed like Benoit's idea of a mercy killing, but to deny his son any chance of living is just unspeakable. Not a lot of celebrity deaths affect me, but this is one that whenever I think about it, it just makes me feel sick.

The post-Benoit Raw was one of those ideas that blew up in the WWE's face. Even with the benefit of hindsight, I'm not entirely sure what approach the WWE could have taken other than cancel the show altogether with a brief message for Nancy and Benoit's (for Daniel) family. They were in a no-win situation and feel bad for them whenever they're criticized for the tribute.

The weeks that followed were just a blur. WWE really cracked down on their drug policy which seemingly made it seem like they weren't really serious after Eddie's death which sucked. Then they ramped up concussion testing which seems to be in the company's best interest, even though it's credibility has been called into question. I'm not sure which concussion test they've used but Punk was adamant they weren't that credible on the Colt Cabana podcast since the WWE officials still wanted to do further testing afterward. Now, you could argue Punk was just being stubborn but the point I believe he was making was that the WWE were covering their asses and used these tests that really aren't that effective to protect themselves. This eventually led to the Daniel Bryan retirement which is an ongoing story and will be interesting to see what happens when Bryan's existing deal runs out. If he ends up leaving and going to New Japan whatever, I hope to god he ends up okay. Especially after what happened to Shibata recently.

Like everyone else, I was bitterly disappointed we didn't get the Benoit-Punk match at the pay per view and to later learn Benoit died ruined that day for me. I was like Jericho where I just sat in front of the computer screen and looked at every possible theory. I even bought into the 'Kevin Did It' angle as some reports of his arrest at an Atlanta airport came up but were later proven false. I was just so torn up and when it came out it really made me question my passion for anything television related (whether it be pro sports, tv shows etc.). It was a good lesson to get out of the way then and there that the only thing that truly matters is you and the people around you but it was a harsh one as well.

As for Benoit these days, I can still watch his work no issues. Benoit the pro wrestler is not like the Benoit we've heard about in personal stories so it's easy to disconnect myself from that and WrestleMania XX is still one of those shows I like to pop in from time to time. Before his death, Benoit was still one of my favorite wrestlers on the roster and I was excited to see him finally leave SmackDown and become a main event attraction on ECW. In retrospect those early to mid years in the WWE become that much worse post-Benoit because you really do lose one of the best aspects of the show. Even though he wasn't a star attraction, Benoit's stuff was usually liked all across the board so now with most of it gone, it's so much harder to look at that era retrospectively.

If there's been any positives, it seems like a lot of those early wrestling deaths are becoming a thing of the past and guys are at least making it to their 50s. Still too young, but better than what it was like in the late 90s-mid 00s.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Baz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26/June/2017 at 17:40
I can still happily watch Benoit matches without an issue. The guy was superb in the ring and has had a positive impact on the business. Sure the business failed him and contributed to the circumstances around that fateful weekend, and sure he should have had help with his issues that he didn't get but he did do it so that kind of spoils things.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2w0R3bkBBI

Chris Jericho on his podcast talking to Dave Meltzer for an hour on how the career of Chris Benoit has been erased from history. It was a good listen as you don't hear many people sticking up for him still.

Even now ten years on the topic divides fans on if his footage should still be seen, if he should be in the HOF etc.

Time hasn't changed my opinion. I still agree with E for never mentioning him, not putting his matches on DVDs etc. I have no interest in watching his tainted career still.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fletch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12/November/2017 at 12:48
It’s a tough one. For me personally I think I could still watch his matches objectively without feeling uneasy or guilty because ultimately I don’t tend to let what goes on in the personal lives of wrestlers effect my opinion of them as a performer.
It was the same when some fans were up in arms saying they hated Edge for banging Matt Hardy’s missus and hated Batista because of the disrespectful way he talked about his wife, I couldn’t give a shit in honesty when I watch these guys all I’m interested in is how much they entertain me as a in-ring performer and a on-screen character.

In any rate I rarely re-watch old matches in their entirety so it’s not like I’ll be binge watching the best of Benoit any time soon.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote #Heel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12/November/2017 at 18:15
For me at the time, he was one of the best technical wrestlers i had ever seen and he had some fantastic matches

Now, as good as he was in the ring - i just cant watch his matches without thinking about what he has done

There for me is a line, if a superstar is having domestic issues (say sort of like ADR and Paige) or other personal issues - i dont find it difficult to watch their matches without even thinking about it - should a superstar decide to murder someone then i think at that point it becomes difficult for me to watch any of their material (matches, promos, interviews) without bringing their goings-on outside of the ring into my thoughts and i just cant watch it
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