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Quote WWE Universal Champion Brock Lesnar’s next WWE appearance has officially been announced. He slated to appear on the December 18th edition of Monday Night Raw.

This appearance will be the night after the Smackdown Live Clash of Champions PPV when WWE starts the build towards the Royal Rumble PPV in January. As noted, Lesnar will be working the upcoming PPV event.

JUST ANNOUNCED: Universal Champion “The Beast” @BrockLesnar will be live in Providence for @WWE Monday Night RAW! @HeymanHustle #wweprovidence pic.twitter.com/FvrC69aQgC

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Brock being looked after by management again, by having him show up a week earlier than I would have done.

I would have booked him for christmas day Raw. Maybe he will show up there as well, but it doesn't seem likely.

I would prefer he dropped the title before Wrestlemania so we can have a champion that's around every week in Wrestlemania season.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kondor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27/January/2018 at 03:49
I can't be the only one who thinks that Braun is getting too much the better of Brock in their recent confrontations on Raw. I know that a lot of people are sold on Braun Strowman as the next big thing (no pun intended) and that he has looked very strong, which of course he has. But I don't think anyone should be getting the better of Brock Lesnar in that manner unless they're going to be the guy for the next long while. 

Brock is the guy that broke The Undertaker's streak. That's huge. I never wanted the streak to end and spent years arguing that it should not. But it did; and Lesnar was the guy. Okay fine. But after that point in time, Brock should be absolutely unbeatable. He mostly has been, eradicating people like John Cena, Dean Ambrose, and beating Samoa Joe without too much trouble at Great Balls of Fire. When he lost the belt last time at WrestleMania 31, Brock spent most of the match obliterating Roman Reigns and tossing him around in and out of the ring until Seth Rollins cashed in and beat Reigns. Brock himself never lost, and I agree with protecting him in that manner. 

Brock's only real blemish in his aura of invincibility was of course to Bill Goldberg at the 2016 Survivor Series in a quick squash victory for Goldberg. I questioned the wisdom of that booking decision as well as many others. But Brock's WrestleMania 33 victory over Goldberg allowed him to recover and iron out that discrepancy on his record as well as possible after that Survivor Series result; and of course I mean result as in the way it went down more so than just the actual "L" in the loss column. 

My point being that as he is the one who broke the streak Brock in my view should be absolutely invincible and not look weak to anybody, and the booking/creative team has a responsibility to present and portray him as being such. When Braun Strowman collapses a metal structure on Lesnar and sends him to the hospital, or when Bruan comes in the ring and attacks Lesnar just after Lesnar F5d Kane and quickly sends him through a table as in the last Raw that makes the guy who is supposed to be invincible look too weak. That is so even if Brock retains at the Rumble, although that would help matters to recover his image. 

I remember in my very first month on this board I wrote in the WrestleMania III thread about how that event worked so well because both Hulk Hogan and Andre the Giant seemed absolutely unbeatable going in. Fletch and HBKDX came to argue their points that "auras of invincibility" don't exist anymore. I still believe that they certainly can if a person is actually presented right, always beats his opponents (or guys he's brawling with outside of matches) in at best dominating and at worst relatively easy fashion, and if that image is protected and maintained for an extended period of time I believe an aura of the like can be created in today's wrestling atmosphere. In fact Taker and Brock are the closest things to that since Hogan and Andre. 

But the problem today, just as I said then, is that the bookers want a quick fix and don't want to take the time to really build someone in that manner, not to that extent. 

And if Strowman is that new invincible guy that my response is that you shouldn't change it every few years. That one unbeatable guy should only come along once a generation to preserve the image and magnitude of the aura. 

And if Brock isn't intended to be that guy then he should never have broken the streak. Because the streak was invincible.   

All this about a few instances on recent Raws that most fans will soon forget as yes I know fans have short attention spans and shorter memories these days but my point remains in principle. 

But if Braun somehow goes over clean on Lesnar at the Rumble (or any other time) then my point is put to practice.    

And yes I am aware that Brock is bound to put over somebody cleanly at some point, "pass the torch" and all that shit, but it should be special, it should be well done, it should not be a triple threat or clusterfuck match, and it should be to a guy who really will be "the guy" in the future (Roman Reigns or otherwise.) 
  


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fletch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27/January/2018 at 09:28
Brock's invincible aura has been fairly well protected since his win over The Undertaker. Prior to that his win/loss record was sketchy.

Since ending the streak he came out on top in rematches against Taker, even the one match where Undi got the win the finish was done in a way to keep Lesnar looking strong it wasn't a decisive win.

The Goldberg loss was presented as Lesnar underestimating Goldberg and not being ready, Goldberg used the element of surprise taking Lesnar down with some fast hard hitting offence. In the rematch Brock didn't make that mistake again and got the win in what I thought was a really decent exciting match.

I do like it when you have these characters with this invincible aura about them as it's what creates the big fight aura that existed in past matches like Andre the Giant vs Hulk Hogan and Hogan vs The Ultimate Warrior. The closest they've come to replicating that kind of aura was maybe Yokozuna for a short time before he transitioned to more of a tag wrestler and more recently again only for a short time Mark Henry with his Hall of Pain gimmick, as champion he was getting clean wins over top babyfaces but then it just stopped, in part due to Henry being so injury prone.

Now we have it again with Strowman and if WWE were smart they would have kept Braun and Brock apart having Strowman run a trail of destruction through WWE leading to a eventual match where he could have defeated the near invincible Brock. But as we know Lesnar has been built as the invincible champion to be sacrificed to Roman Reigns. Perhaps instead we will end up with a Reigns vs Strowman match in a Hogan vs Warrior type scenario.

I don't have any problem with the booking of Brock, its clear he will win this Sunday so Strowman getting the upper hand on Raw is fine as it's the decision at the Royal Rumble that counts, although I hope Braun is kept looking strong which I'm pretty sure is why Kane is in the match.

As a part-timer using Brock as this near invincible guy who every once in a while will put someone over to help build a new star or like in the case of Goldberg to give a returning star momentum to build a feud is smart booking.
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There's a reason that when you talk about that invincible aura you bring up examples from over 20 years ago. The average consumer doesn't want an unstoppable machine any more. John Cena was an unstoppable machine. Roman Reigns was an unstoppable machine. People don't want it any more.

I love watching people tie themselves in knots when I ask the question: "What happens for Braun after he beats Brock?"

In wrestling at this point you have to have almost continual obstacles in order to get someone over. Austin had McMahon. Bryan had Triple H. Punk had...McMahon and Triple H. Balor is on a really good trajectory to the top right now, as is Sami Zayn. You can't push people too hard. You have to let them get so far and then pull them back.

Hence Strowman's loss to Reigns at Fast Lane, which people decried at the time as Strowman being buried. Hence Strowman's loss to Lesnar at No Mercy, which people decried at the time as Strowman being buried. Hence Strowman's soon to be loss to Lesnar (via a Kane pin) at Royal Rumble, which people will decry as Strowman being buried.
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Originally posted by Tom Colohue Tom Colohue wrote:


I love watching people tie themselves in knots when I ask the question: "What happens for Braun after he beats Brock?"



Stephanie fires him. Roman Reigns wins the vacant title.
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I generally thought that Brock was going to retain and he was going to do so by pinning Kane, now I'm not sure with how dominant Braun has been I think there's a good chance that Braun could end up winning the title, realisticly you can still have Brock Lesnar vs Roman Reigns and it's not for the Universal title, imagine instead we have Braun Strownman vs Samoa Joe for the Universal title instead or if the Undertaker is not coming back then why not have Braun vs John Cena which I feel would still be quite the main event.


As for Brock he has definitely picked up his game as of late, when he was up against Dean Ambrose and Samoa Joe and I would even say a bit against Goldberg he was clearly just not giving a fuck and it showed in the matches, and I for one hate it if a guy is in there just phoning in the moves if you don't want to be there walk away and ride off into the sunset but don't be that guy who's just there for the cheque. 


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Quote • WWE PLANNING HUGE POST-WRESTLEMANIA 34 FEUD FOR BROCK LESNAR
According to Wrestling Observer’s Dave Meltzer, Bobby Lashley’s return to WWE is imminent. He was negotiating with NJPW & WWE, but he has stopped negotiating with NJPW now because he has come to terms with WWE and his return is “almost for sure”.

WWE officials are talking about doing the “Dream Match” between Brock Lesnar & Bobby Lashley as a part of Lesnar’s post-WrestleMania 34 feud. It should be noted that WWE will need to re-sign Lesnar for this as his current contract expires after WrestleMania 34.

We’ll keep you updated regarding Lashley’s WWE return & Lesnar’s post-WrestleMania 34 plans


I really want to see this match so hopefully this report is legit.

If Lesnar dumps the title as expected at Wrestlemania perhaps they will run a angle the next night on Raw where Lashley makes his return and attacks Brock, or just confronts him and Brock backs off.

If this does go ahead chances are the match won't happen until Summerslam.

I think Lesnar wil re-sign with WWE, its too good a deal for him not to, he makes a ton of money for a handful of easy Raw appearances and maybe 10 matches per year half of which are normally less than 10 minutes long.
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I wonder how that will go over. I've absolutely no interest in seeing either guy wrestle, let alone a match between the two, but I can see where others would like it. But I don't see it being a good match either... maybe I'm wrong, though.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Baz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29/January/2018 at 18:21
Unless they put a MMA stipulation on it, I don't want it to happen. I think Lesnar is having too much fun not to re-sign for another year though he's probably made enough money to retire and live the quiet life he wants haha.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote #Heel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29/January/2018 at 20:30
Would love to see Lesnar land a clean punch on Lashley like he did to Strowman

He must have swore at him too because my network stream censored the word out

To be fair Strowman landed a clean knee

Lashley is another hard hitting guy so would love to see the match v Lesnar
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