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The reaction that the Survivor Series main event garnered via social media was nothing short of extraordinary meaning that water coolers throughout the land were 'sold out.' 

The vitriol that some defiant fans displayed on various social media outlets has, at times, been shocking as it was clear to me that some fans took this matter WAY too seriously. These 'outraged' fans certainly have made a strong, emotional investment in the process which should actually answer most of their own questions regarding if this was the right way to go or not creatively.

Seems logical to assume that when Goldberg accepted WW's offer to extend his stay with the company that it likely changed the creative for the Survivor Series main event Sunday night in Toronto. In other words, this saga between the two will continue so that WWE can sail into WM33 with some momentum and interest in seeing what will hopefully be a creative and compelling conclusion to this rivalry.

Plus, it is obvious that Goldberg and Lesnar have a mutual respect for each other and they apparently enjoy competing with each other, as well. 

One of the most utilized creative touches on the wrestling territory TV shows over the years was when someone grabbed an upset in a match that said, wining wrestler was supposed to lose. This general concept was used somewhat often with the NWA Title when the champ would lose in a rare, local TV non title match or even drop a fall in a tag match which would lead to something bigger in the live event world of those days.

Big picture booking has been around as long as the ring has. 

Old school wrestling logic that I was taught was that a star losing a fast, unpredictable and completely shocking match did not adversely affect the individual doing the honors while instead providing them a valid reason to be pissed and to want vindication for their embarrassment over their 'fluky' loss. I expect that story to be basically told going forward as it relates to Brock and Goldberg.

Logically, the place to blow this storyline off is on April 2 in Orlando at Wrestlemania or at least it is in my opinion. I could see Goldberg involved in the Royal Rumble but I'm told that as of Monday morning that  January 29 date has yet to be confirmed. I expect that it will be nonetheless. 

Again, this upset scenario has been used over the years sparingly but effectively. Just as in recent years when combat sports events such as Mike Tyson losing to Buster Douglas, Holly Holm shocking Ronda Rousey plus Max Schmeling upsetting Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali losing to Leon Spinks got people talking. The issue in pro wrestling is that the decision makers can determine when these upsets are going to occur and I for one endorse beating the heavy favorite quickly and almost in a perfect storm sort of manner that one would assume will be challenging to ever be replicated again.

One thing is for sure and that is WWE is dong a terrific job of promoting and marketing the true and established Goldberg persona so much better than in Bill's first tenure in the company which is refreshing. 

Even though many will disagree with me on this one, Lesnar losing in the manner that the did was better than losing to a returning Goldberg in a 15-20 minute bout. My take is that Brock Lesnar is still Teflon coated and is as relevant if not more today than he was before Survivor Series.  

While WWE is crafting the Lesnar-Goldberg story it also gives the balance of the roster an opportunity to continue to evolve and to hopefully one day be on the same level of Lesnar, Cena and now Goldberg. 

Perhaps at the end of the day, we can only hope that for all those fans who expressed themselves so passionately while disagreeing with pro wrestling creative that they are equally as passionate and emotionally invested in the truly important aspects of their lives.

One can only hope.



Fans have a right to be outraged as they were short changed on the match, especially those still spending a lot of dollars to watch on PPV instead of on the WWE Network.

It wouldn't be a surprise if they enjoy competing against eachother because it's easy money for how little they were physical in only two shows they both appeared at.

Shocks happen in all sports but that's real life. Wrestling is pre determined so it makes little sense to make your badass look so easily beatable and take away from him the aura guys like Cena and Taker helped build by putting him over so well in recent years.
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Quote they were short changed on the match

The fuck they were, they got more than their money's worth, they're just on the wrong side of things. I wish I could go back in time, pay for a ticket to Toronto, pay for a motel room, pay for a taxi to get to the arena, pay for the ticket to get in, watch the match, and take video on my phone of a Lesnar mark crying because his beast incarnate just got slayed by WCW's Phenom. This is infinitely better than a Cena victory in Chicago against CM Punk, because Goldberg actually is bad ass.

What makes this match so damned great is that there are vocal fans on both sides of this argument. I haven't had this much fun in ages, just trolling all the fucking smark morons that suck on Lesnar's balls for everything he does. He's the smark Cena and it disgusts me. Meanwhile Goldberg who always looked better, and didn't talk like a 15 year old boy in puberty out manned the beast incarnate.

Even better is the smarks don't have a leg to stand on because this was all Lesnar's idea! OMG the smark tears could render the great lakes uninhabitable with all that salt.

Quote it makes little sense to make your badass look so easily beatable and take away from him the aura guys like Cena and Taker helped build by putting him over so well in recent years.


Ever play Pokémon? Fire beats Grass, Grass beats Water, Water beats Fire. NOT Fire beats Grass and Grass beats Water so Fire obviously beats Water too.

Look up the word Kryptonite. Notice how it only affects Superman and not all the people Superman has beaten? They should let this feud lie, or settle it at the Royal Rumble, and then have Goldberg lose to Cena or Reigns or Undertaker at Mania.

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Heyman sold the situation well on Raw especially with his tears.

They have gone down the predictable "underestimated" route for the excuse and so it's now to be seen how Brock will be booked to look strong once more.

It does seem stupid though that after being humiliated he'd want to wait two months for revenge instead of not trying to get it straight away.
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Heyman 's promo was amazing as expected, wanna see Brock go mad and destroy the roster to make himself look strong and vicious. Imagine say Titus vs Strauman going on in ring and Brock comes down and destroys the pair of them with relative ease, a few weeks later Reigns and Rusev getting the Brock beat down backstage, another few weeks Owens attacked on way to ring and Jericho getting a F5 for good measure and just having him turn up and unleash hell on top guys or Big guys to make him look strong but still obviously rattled by the loss
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Originally posted by LennyComa LennyComa wrote:

Heyman 's promo was amazing as expected, wanna see Brock go mad and destroy the roster to make himself look strong and vicious. Imagine say Titus vs Strauman going on in ring and Brock comes down and destroys the pair of them with relative ease, a few weeks later Reigns and Rusev getting the Brock beat down backstage, another few weeks Owens attacked on way to ring and Jericho getting a F5 for good measure and just having him turn up and unleash hell on top guys or Big guys to make him look strong but still obviously rattled by the loss


I'm not a fan of one guy taking out loads of a roster. Plus all Goldberg would have to say is those guys weren't me, and it would make the whole Angry Brock stuff look redundant.

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Heyman was already teary when the segment started. It would have looked better if he started all stoney face and something was said by Cole that set him off and we then went on to see an actual tear.

It was good to have Heyman the pay from the fight. It's not mentioned enough for heel heat how little work Brock does for so much money.
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Enjoyed the Heyman sit down this week, he showed genuine emotion and it was good for once to see a heel manager just admit they underestimated an opponent rather than feed us the usual weak excuses.

Going the injury route was smart as well as it makes Brock look a bit less weak as if he had genuinely cracked his ribs after the first spear it would have been hard for him to recover.

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I like that route too as it makes Goldberg look even more a monster. First spear and Brock Lesnar is on the shelf injured and it was just up to Goldberg to finish the match at his leisure, and, as Goldberg isn't paid by the hour, he just hit it and quit it. Lesnar looks even more weak for being that brittle, and Goldberg even more about things just being business.
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I'd be surprised if Lesnar vs Goldberg at Wrestlemania isn't for a major title to add to the personal issue of their rivalry. Lesnar is still the most fascinating talent on the WWE roster and with Heyman added into the mix it make Brock even more valuable.


I would absolutely hate seeing two part timers main eventing for a major title and it would do bad shit for the locker room.

They are about to have a third big match together and so for the money they earn they should be able to draw enough interest without talk of a strap being involved.

I hope this time around they will show that they deserve their pay and schedules.
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Wouldn't be a easy scenario to put together, one of them would have to win the Royal Rumble and the other become champion before Wrestlemania, it's feasible but hard to see how WWE would work that in to current storylines.

One way would be for Goldberg to win the Rumble then announce he wants to enter Wrestlemania as champion so ends up trading his guaranteed Mania main event for a shot at the gold at Fastlane. He then wins the title and Brock challenges him at Mania.

I agree with Admin though that these part-timers need to be kept away from the belt, it was horrible when Lesnar was champion and went home for more than 3 months, nothing against the champ only wrestling or even only appearing on PPV but the title should be defended every 30 days as the rules state.

My booking would be as follows, Goldberg doesn't win the Rumble but has a strong showing and challenges the champ at Fastlane, Lesnar interference costs him the win setting the stage for their third match at Wrestlemania.

I don't mind Goldberg getting a short title reign later in the year to round off his career provided he then puts over a top star on the current roster for the title rather than retiring as champion.
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They've already had their best match, best to leave good enough alone. Pair Goldberg with Reigns, and Lesnar with Samoa Joe and the fans will be happier all the way around.
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