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A feud between Big show and Daniel bryan would suck balls. Atleast with Mark Henry we had an injury to make it slightly believable but even during the cage match, it was inevitable that Henry was going to catch him and crush him. A story with Big show will just be god awful with horrid booking to try and make the midget-weight look like a threat. Obviously this is not TNA where a situation like this would not be so ridiculous and the nearest comparison i can think of would be Abyss vs kendrick for the x-division title which was pretty much on my limit of plausability. I still see Kendrick winning as bollocks so take Bryan vs Show in a far less creative company and a much bigger size difference and you have something in the realms of ridiculousness that is reminiscent of Show vs mayweather minus the skill.

If it gets booked the way i think it will, i wouldn't see why show wouldn't march into the back and say you're making me look like an ASS!
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Originally posted by Vladel Vladel wrote:

A feud between Big show and Daniel bryan would suck balls. Atleast with Mark Henry we had an injury to make it slightly believable but even during the cage match, it was inevitable that Henry was going to catch him and crush him. A story with Big show will just be god awful with horrid booking to try and make the midget-weight look like a threat. Obviously this is not TNA where a situation like this would not be so ridiculous and the nearest comparison i can think of would be Abyss vs kendrick for the x-division title which was pretty much on my limit of plausability. I still see Kendrick winning as bollocks so take Bryan vs Show in a far less creative company and a much bigger size difference and you have something in the realms of ridiculousness that is reminiscent of Show vs mayweather minus the skill.

If it gets booked the way i think it will, i wouldn't see why show wouldn't march into the back and say you're making me look like an ASS!

This drives me nuts. Wrestling isn't supposed to be believable. 

Honestly -- you are passing up what is, for many, a dream feud between Rey and Show because it 'isn't believable'? The entire point of booking like this is to give wrestlers the opportunity to showcase something which is 'believable within the realms of the unbelievable'. So, you suspend your disbelief, and within THAT BUBBLE, you get something which works. 

Big Show/Mayweather was a great showcase match. Showcase matches are wrestling. David vs. Goliath is wresting.


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I can suspend my disbelief for Rey v.s. Kane. Rey could conceivably be too quick for Kane, and that's what happened. I can suspend my disbelief for Show v.s. Mayweather. Mayweather is quick, and not above using all kinds of dirty tactics to win, and that's what happened. Face Daniel Bryan v.s. Crazy Heel Big Show, I cannot suspend my disbelief for.
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Originally posted by Raven Raven wrote:

I can suspend my disbelief for Rey v.s. Kane. Rey could conceivably be too quick for Kane, and that's what happened. I can suspend my disbelief for Show v.s. Mayweather. Mayweather is quick, and not above using all kinds of dirty tactics to win, and that's what happened. Face Daniel Bryan v.s. Crazy Heel Big Show, I cannot suspend my disbelief for. 

With Daniel Bryan, it's his wits which count. His wits, the ability to play the slippery bar of soap, allowed him to stay alive in the cage against Henry (for a while). Why do you believe in the speed of Mysterio, the agility of Mayweather, but not the wiliness, smarts and savvy of Bryan? 




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Because when you are a third the size of your opponent, nothing other than running the fuck away, or beating him with something solid and metal, will save you from a beating. Even in referencing Kane v.s. Mysterio, Mysterio is only half Kane's size, I wouldn't buy it at all if he were to beat the Big Show, as there's no way a man that small jumping at a 500 pound man would do any damage.
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Shouldn't we wait until we've seen the match? I mean, come on -- right now we're lambasting the notion of the match. If Bryan and Show are good enough, it'll be believable. Who's to say what tactics Bryan will use? We don't even know what type of champion he's going to be really. Not at this stage. He might totally stooge his way to victory.

I'm not totally disagreeing here. I'm ready to be wrong. The match might suck. I just question how you can't buy the notion of a match when :

A) we don't know how the WWE will book the fued
B) we don't know how the WWE will book the match
C) we don't know what kind of role both guys will be playing, and 
D) how you could buy Mayweather/Show, but not this. Mayweather is smaller than Daniel Bryan.

Let's just wait until after the match. 


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I do not buy the notion of a match between Big Show and Daniel Bryan under traditional rules at all, or under hardcore rules with Bryan as a face. If he is a heel, in a hardcore match or something similar, I could buy him eventually battering Show into submission. That's exactly what Mayweather did. And, Mayweather had already broken Show's nose, so obviously he could do damage. Unless Bryan is secretly Popeye, the way he's been booked since his feud with Miz suggests he couldn't do shit to Show.
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Originally posted by Raven Raven wrote:

I do not buy the notion of a match between Big Show and Daniel Bryan under traditional rules at all, or under hardcore rules with Bryan as a face. If he is a heel, in a hardcore match or something similar, I could buy him eventually battering Show into submission. That's exactly what Mayweather did. And, Mayweather had already broken Show's nose, so obviously he could do damage. Unless Bryan is secretly Popeye, the way he's been booked since his feud with Miz suggests he couldn't do shit to Show.

The fact that you've written off the match before it even happens says everything about the IWC. No wonder there's so much negativity.  Whatever happened to being 'pleasantly surprised' by something? Professional wrestling isn't supposed to be realistic. You're supposed to ask yourself 'how the hell is he going to overcome the odds?'


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Realistically, if a guy Daniel Bryan's size beat the shit out of a guy Big Show's size, it will be awesome. But professional wrestling isn't realistic, as you said, and I don't want to see tiny guys who aren't actually all that fast beating literal giants clean. If Daniel Bryan is a face, it can go one of six ways in a straight one-on-one match up.

One, Bryan cheats to win. Stupid booking for a clean-cut face, as Bryan is. Even more stupid booking if he suddenly develops an edge now he's World Champion, considering he never had it in his title chase.

Two, Bryan wins clean. I shouldn't have to explain why this is terrible.

Three, Bryan wins due to interference. If interference isn't seen coming a mile off (like with The Rock at Mania) it ruins PPV main events. The only interference I could see coming a mile off is Mark Henry, and prolonging the Show/Henry feud would be painful.

Four, Big Show cheats to win. Big Show shouldn't have to cheat to beat Daniel effing Bryan, considering the shitty mid-card heels who can do it regularly clean.

Five, Big Show beats Bryan clean. Bad idea, basically makes Daniel Bryan's title run (and by extension, Smackdown's MitB) a waste of time.

Six, Big Show wins through interference. Again, if it's not coming a mile off, it ruins main events, and there's nobody who would obviously go after Daniel Bryan.

DQs, count-outs and no contests are awful finishes to any title match unless it's a real blood feud, which this isn't.

Every possible ending to a match between the two, with Daniel Bryan as a face, is awful.
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Originally posted by Raven Raven wrote:

Realistically, if a guy Daniel Bryan's size beat the shit out of a guy Big Show's size, it will be awesome. But professional wrestling isn't realistic, as you said, and I don't want to see tiny guys who aren't actually all that fast beating literal giants clean. If Daniel Bryan is a face, it can go one of six ways in a straight one-on-one match up.

One, Bryan cheats to win. Stupid booking for a clean-cut face, as Bryan is. Even more stupid booking if he suddenly develops an edge now he's World Champion, considering he never had it in his title chase.

Two, Bryan wins clean. I shouldn't have to explain why this is terrible.

Three, Bryan wins due to interference. If interference isn't seen coming a mile off (like with The Rock at Mania) it ruins PPV main events. The only interference I could see coming a mile off is Mark Henry, and prolonging the Show/Henry feud would be painful.

Four, Big Show cheats to win. Big Show shouldn't have to cheat to beat Daniel effing Bryan, considering the shitty mid-card heels who can do it regularly clean.

Five, Big Show beats Bryan clean. Bad idea, basically makes Daniel Bryan's title run (and by extension, Smackdown's MitB) a waste of time.

Six, Big Show wins through interference. Again, if it's not coming a mile off, it ruins main events, and there's nobody who would obviously go after Daniel Bryan.

DQs, count-outs and no contests are awful finishes to any title match unless it's a real blood feud, which this isn't.

Every possible ending to a match between the two, with Daniel Bryan as a face, is awful.

I get all that. I'm just saying it seems like a really closed-minded way of watching. 

'This way would be awful.'

'This way would be awful.' 

'This way would be awful.'

A MONTH BEFORE THE MATCH!

I'm just saying -- I now GET why the internet wrestling fans are never happy.
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