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Yes Inliked Becky’s promo as well and again I agree, the roles are reversed. Interested to see the cheers on Smackdown this week and how it’s handled for Becky
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People won't stop cheering Becky. It's the same as with Daniel Bryan; you can't turn him heel. It's simply not possible any more.

CM Punk got some heel heat by turning heel on The Rock, a universally popular man and feuding with The Undertaker, a universally popular man. He even aligned with Paul Heyman but still couldn't get all that much heel heat.

He literally walked out of the company and shit all over the whole concept of wrestling. They still chant his name in the arenas.

Success is a heel trait now. You can't turn Becky on Charlotte because it's Charlotte. Probably the only person people would boo Lynch for attacking would be AJ Styles at this point.
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Tom I still maintain The NWO messed everything up cheering for “the bad guy” these days. Fan is short for fanatic and most fans in the arenas are just that. They chant anything at anytime. “You deserve it” to a superstar who wins a title under 6 months or so being with the company is ridiculous. If the whole baby face v heel is something measured on success instead of popularity then why would the company make a big deal turning Brock heel. Yes yes I know Roman is the guy now with Cena doing something he said he would never do , being a part timer, but why would it matter ? Before the NWO happened heels rarely got a cheer , much less a chant. The face of the business is forever changed and they don’t know how to fix it.
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I wouldn't blame the NWO per say, especially given that they were based on a Japanese faction anyway. People were cheering heels whenever they wanted to cheer heels, even as far back as the Sid vs Hogan feud leading into Wrestlemania 8. NWO didn't happen until about 4 years later.

Now however, things are firmly set like that instead of having one or two outliers. Since the Cena vs Angle feud that first turned fans against Cena audiences have been empowered and WWE have actively encouraged them, particularly as regards Daniel Bryan. 

The important thing with Lynch isn't necessarily whether she's face or heel. It's really not important. The important thing is the perception of Charlotte Flair going into her feud with Ronda Rousey. At basic, business terms, Becky Lynch is by far the hottest superstar WWE have since Summerslam. People care more now than ever before. 

She's reached a new level of over and is quickly approaching the point when she can start to draw. For a one time champion in the B show women's division that's a big deal.

Either way I'm very happy people are now seeing what I see. I've always loved the idea of maybe pairing Lynch with Heyman or at least leading her character into more of a threatening badass consistent with the 'Lasskicker' name. Well, we're here now and I'm very excited to see where they go with it.

Oh, and I'm not booing Becky Lynch. No chance.
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Then there is zero need to face a “face” or a “heel” then. Everyone can just be the same , all face or all heel. As far as Becky being the hottest superstar since SS , I would argue that Dean or the Shield is hotter. Becky will never draw what either of those 3 would.
As far as the NWO being based on a Japanese faction , that may be , but not really before did crowds cheer like they do now for “what was use to be a heel , since there isn’t any anymore with your view ,” until the NWO. I’m glad you enjoy the B show and think Becky is such a main draw. Everyone has to like someone
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People were already doing a lot of that before the nWo if we're being honest.

In 1995 a babyface Shawn Michaels was being booed out of the building with chants of "Shawn is gay!" 

Bret was getting booed too and people had signs that read in pink and black "Same 5 moves." 

Before that Hulk Hogan was getting decidedly mixed ovations as a babyface.

In the meantime a heel Diesel was getting cheers like crazy. People crap on that mid-90's era, and rightfully so, but they forget how insanely over Kevin Nash was as Diesel before he was turned babyface and became WWE champion. 

I think nWo sort of tilted the scales more quickly, but I have no doubt in my mind that the fans would have ended up the way they have regardless of whether or not the nWo ever existed.
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Then I stand corrected and say cheer who we will
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A lot of people inside WWE have recently said, and been publicly denounced for saying it, that there isn't the same face/heel dynamic any more.

They've also said that wins and losses don't matter as much, which is also true, and been decried for that.

The business has moved on. Nowadays you can create heels much easier. Look at Big Cass and Jinder Mahal. They became hugely over in a very short space of time because they were so easy to create a buzz around as heels.

At the same time, look at how quickly Finn Balor is growing in popularity. People often forget that a tiny percentage of WWE viewers knew who he was before he was called up to Raw in the brand split. Tiny. When McMahon said he wasn't over he was right because to be over is not limited to 'popular amongst die hards' but he's now in a much better position than he was.

Flair has immense crossover potential. She's a huge name and a huge draw; undoubtedly the top drawing female that WWE has ever produced. Becky Lynch has great potential too because her character is so easy to buy into. I don't care if she's a face or a heel; she's awesome right now and long may it continue.
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Paige is better all across the board than Charlotte Flair, with one glaring difference, she isn't healthy enough to wrestle.

Another myth that needs to be debunked yesterday is that the hardcore fans are the minority. They're not. They make up less in attendance, but the way media presence has evolved over the last 10 years, with platforms like hulu, and other on demand platforms, hardcore fans for EVERYTHING are getting to be the norm. The day of the casual fan for television, sports, books, games, you name it is rapidly coming to an end. 

Due to the fact that people have more control over the way they take in a media experience and that they're not forced to sit through something they don't want, to get to what they do want, casual fans of everything are dying out and they're being replaced by a somewhat smaller, but far more dedicated and passionate fan.

That's why All-In sold out in 30 minutes. They could sell-out Madison Square Garden easily these days, because wrestling fans are hardcore enough to spend the money and fly across country or even the world, to be there. Case and point, Maffew of Botchamania is going to All-In. Why? He has no reason to be there. In fact with his job he'd be better off staying at home and recording and putting things up ASAP, rather than going to the show. He's going because first and foremost he's a fan, a hardcore fan willing to pay big money to fly across the Atlantic Ocean to be in attendance at a indy wrestling show.

The day of the casual fan ruling everything is all but gone already. WWE keeps things accessible for the casual fan NOW because they're working on expanding their markets, and that's good for the business as a whole, but because WWE still refuses to do much for the hardcore fans, it's leaving a void for another company that DOES cater to the hardcore fan, and it's just a matter of time before a new "WCW" rises up to fill that void, and for now it looks like it's going to be the ROH/NJPW partnership.
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Going to have to disagree with you on literally everything there, Rico. The total subscriber count for the WWE network is considerably less than the average viewer count for any episode of Monday Night Raw, and that's live and active. When you factor in that a large percentage of that is mobile viewership (whereby the average viewer watches for a certain percentage of the time rather than all out) and your average viewercount per month is considerably higher than the total viewers per week, which is considerably higher than the amount that have the WWE network.

All In of course is not a good example to use in any way. It's been years in the making, contains two competing companies to WWE and is also pitched as an ideal alternative for actual WWE viewers. It's in a strong city for wrestling fandom, contains star names outside of wrestling such as Omega (who draws well beyond wrestling right now) and Cody. They've also stoked up the marketing campaign for months in the build to the ticket release date. Plus then you have the rumour mill bringing up crossover names such as CM Punk and the like and that's why it sold out in 30 minutes.

Raising the name of Maffew actually hinders your point. If All In was a show going on every month then he wouldn't be going; it's a one time special occasion that is potentially historical so he doesn't want to miss it.

Also, I don't accept that you can sell out MSG easily. One show is an exception, not the convention. 

I also disagree as regards Paige. Having recently watched the timeframe whereby Paige was at her peak, I believe Charlotte is far and away a more varied and clinical wrestler, promoter and public speaker. She's far less of a risk in all ways also.

Yes, viewership habits have changed. You're right in that. However, hardcore fans making the most noise while accounting for far less than they think they do has not. 

To keep it on topic, the fact that we're even having this discussion in a topic directly relating to Becky Lynch is a big deal. Becky has always been a hardcore darling but the fact that she's been able to engage so much of a casual audience, which is something that someone like Cesaro has always struggled with, is a big deal. She's breaking out and it shows how popular she could be about to become.


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