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What the Fuss?

1: Ring work, ring work, ring work. She is the best of the four horsewomen in the ring, and that's a major achievement.
2: Sincerity. Yes her promo is weak, but like both Daniel Bryan and the Hitman, it's both serviceable when she's out of her element (but still scripted, throwing her in the deep end of improve wasn't good at all) and most of all it seems real and genuine. Too many people throw out clichés about the fans and it falls on deaf ears, but Hitman, Bryan, and also Bayley truly feel real when they talk about it.
3: Different. No body is like her in the women's division. Emma with the bubbles was the closest, but Emma didn't get built up from having exemplary mat skills above and beyond her peers and Emma didn't get the kind of push Bayley got either.
4: Throwback to Savage & Warrior. If you're gonna harken back to former wrestlers why not go with 2 guys who are among the 3 who defined the late 80's and early 90's? And then you throw in a good bit of John Cena into the mix? She's got superstar written all over her.

She is designed specifically to get over with the little kids, specifically little girls. That is her target demographic. If she does that, she's succeeding in the eyes of WWE brass. The fact that she's getting over with men who are hardcore, long-time wrestling fans as well? Even just a group of them? That's amazing.

I've heard many other guys talk about how the thing they like most about her is that she doesn't look like a supermodel, but she has that girl-next-door look, and they dig that she's really sweet and hugs everyone. ... Personally that's an argument that I don't really get, but I've seen it made far too many times by now to ignore it anymore. I guess they just like that she makes them smile.

All of that goes for nothing though IMO if she weren't so damned good in the ring. She's not even that flashy in the ring, it's just that she's always doing things differently, and her moveset is vast.
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She does deserve to be where she is. I like the fact she seems just a happy, genuine person. 

She is amazing in the ring and she seems humble. The segment with Stephanie was meant to get her over solidly as a babyface....I almost expected a Sasha heel turn in the ring but nope just a Sasha Charlotte match I assume this is building to something.
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Alicia Fox is ringside with Sasha Banks, Nia Jax, and Asuka. The final member of the women’s Team RAW will be decided right now.

Winner is on the Women’s Team Raw: Mickie James vs. Dana Brooke vs. Bayley

A replay is shown of Alicia Fox inviting Sasha Banks to be on Team Raw, but not Bayley.

They do a three-way test of strength. James kicks and takes them both down. James attacks Brooke. Bayley attacks James, but Brooke makes a comeback and tries to take them both out, but it backfires. Bayley is knocked to ringside.

-Commercial Break-


We come back from the break to see Bayley hit Brooke and James with back suplexes. Bayley then snaps Brooke off the middle rope. James quickly takes Bayley down with a flapjack and kips up. James goes to the top rope, but Bayley cuts her off. Bayley goes for a superplex, but James fights her off. James then connects with a flying Thesz Press, but Brooke breaks up the pin. James forearms away at Brooke before ducking a clothesline and kicking her. James then hits a flying forearm. James then hits a nasty neckbreaker on Bayley. James and Brooke then take each other out with a hair pull. Brooke lands at ringside in front of Asuka. Asuka checks on her, so Brooke hits her. Asuka chases her to the opposite side of the ring and crushes her with a stiff spin kick. In the ring, James rolls Bayley up for a two count. James goes for a backslide, but Bayley turns it for a two count. James goes for a DDT, but Bayley counters into a Bayley-To-Belly for the win.

Winner by Pinfall: Bayley

Bayley is the fifth member of the Women’s Team RAW. Bayley stands tall in the ring with her teammates.

The crowd was dead for it. Bayley seems to have lost a lot of the fanbase she used to have.
 
Her tame finisher should not be putting anyone away. It's needed changing for ages.
 
Sadly she won't be turned heel as she's seen as the female Cena for kiddy merchandise sales.
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I think that was the reason James was chosen to take the pin, a Bayley to Belly on Dana wouldn't have looked good, certainly not a finisher.

she got the usual pop for when she came out, I think the apathy was that it was obviously going to be Bayley who was going to be the fifth woman, nothing was done in that match to build any intrigue or doubt.
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Quote When you’re doing a great list of missed opportunities in pro wrestling years from now, Bayley’s name could be on top of that list. The fact is Bayley’s WWE debut was long overdue when it finally happened, and she came in with a lot of fanfare but was quickly mishandled outside of her comfort zone in NXT.

WWE hasn’t done much to help Bayley’s character come along recently either and Dave Meltzer recently said WWE gave up on The Hugger a long time ago when he opened up about the subject during Wrestling Observer Radio.

“They have already given up on her. And they’ve given up on her a long long time ago. When they’re gonna protect Mickie James over you when Mickie James was brought in to be a filler to lose on the roster, that just tells you. The dice has been cast with her already.”

It really is a shame Bayley has been treated this way. She loves the business and obviously has a passion to perform. But alas, that might not matter in the eyes of WWE management who could favor other female performers over The Hugger. After all, there are plenty of other people to go with at this point and even more could be on the way from NXT sooner than later.

It would be nice for Bayley to turn it around, but if what Meltzer said is true, then it might be a long time before she gets another good look. But you can never say never in pro wrestling.


I think it’s easy to say she’s been mismanaged on the main roster and this has often been the case with NXT talents, but I simply think Bayley’s character just hasn’t connected with the audience like it did in NXT. In honesty I’m surprised she got over so strong down there as I found her star struck hugger character irritating, she is basically a female Cena only twice as annoying as Cena has the ability to be entertaining when he’s not being cheesy.

On the main roster her constant promos about how she’s living her dream, she’s so grateful and humble blah blah blah blah became tiresome very quickly and that is why she’s flopped. Her matches have been pretty mediocre too.

I say go in a new direction turn her heel have her criticise the fans for booing her and not appreciating her hard work, pretty much what Cena should have done years ago. It’s worth a try.
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I say move her to Smackdown and let her win a no DQ match despite getting beaten with a kendo stick.

It really would have been so easy not to bury her. Move her over, have her beat up Natalya and Tamina and remind everyone that she can still beat Charlotte. It genuinely wouldn't be hard to make a big deal of her again; fans want to care about her.
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Admittedly some of her booking has sucked. Having her act a complete pussy scared of working a extreme rules match and then getting battered with a kendo stick certainly did her no favours, but in part it has been that she found her comfort zone in NXT and it’s just failed to transition on to the main roster, sometimes that happens, Elias has had the reverse effect, he didn’t click in NXT but he’s found his natural home on Raw.

Maybe a switch to Smackdown rebooting her as a top babyface is the answer, failing that go with the heel turn.
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Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

I think it’s easy to say she’s been mismanaged on the main roster and this has often been the case with NXT talents, but I simply think Bayley’s character just hasn’t connected with the audience like it did in NXT. In honesty I’m surprised she got over so strong down there as I found her star struck hugger character irritating, she is basically a female Cena only twice as annoying as Cena has the ability to be entertaining when he’s not being cheesy.

On the main roster her constant promos about how she’s living her dream, she’s so grateful and humble blah blah blah blah became tiresome very quickly and that is why she’s flopped. Her matches have been pretty mediocre too.

I say go in a new direction turn her heel have her criticise the fans for booing her and not appreciating her hard work, pretty much what Cena should have done years ago. It’s worth a try.

Bayley is an anomaly to me. I like those old school mean and rough characters that I mentioned in Fletch's gimmicks thread, yet I like Bayley's smiley face happy character personality. I think the root of my like for Bayley is two fold, 1. I like and appreciate women's wrestling as a whole, and 2. I like and respect the in ring abilities of Bayley, the rest of the Four Horsewomen, and the entirety of the women's revolution we have seen the past couple of years in WWE. I enjoy watching Bayley in the ring. Once someone, male of female, has won me over as a wrestler, the character is secondary to me. 

Yet as said I like her happy "hugger" personality, even down to those big giant colorful balloons (Balyey Buddies is that what they're called?) that Adders found "annoying" on the other page (I never take any opinion of Adders seriously... ever, lol.) I am used to all that and that's what I identify with Bayley. To have her suddenly turn and start yelling at the fans (kind of like when Charlotte turned on her father), I can see why you would want that to happen but me personally as a fan I would prefer to keep her as she is. 

To me Bayley is the Ricky Steamboat of the women's division. She works as a good girl.  


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote LennyComa Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05/January/2018 at 15:48
Heel Bayley would be awesome....have her snap and turn on who ever she is teaming with that week for some heat....especially if she goes and uses weapons to do the turn. Bayley smashing lumps out of Sasha or whoever with a chair would be a good heat magnet I think
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The main roster have made one good white meat babyface in 20 years and that was Daniel Bryan. Even then it is very much up for debate how much of THAT was truly WWE creative's doing.

People still want to see an underdog win, but WWE or Vince or whoever it might be just don't have the formula anymore. What is more surprising is that after seeing how well it worked for Daniel Bryan that they didn't apply that same formula to Sami Zayn nor Bayley.

Both of them struggled mightily to connect as a babyface because they were just handled well at all. Honestly I like Rami Sebei exponentially greater than Bryan Danielson. Ryback was actually quite correct when he called Bryan a bully on table for three. Bryan is a self righteous, smug, douche, but his character on TV is really quite likable.

Zayn on the other hand had every bit of the fire, and easy to connect with personality Bryans character has but got trashed by babyface and heel commentators alike week in week out for months while losing. No one, not even Bryan could have gotten over doing that.

Bayley had a lot less than that. WWE made a mistake of placing a woman who was very much green in terms of working as a heel into a position where she needed to talk trash and tear down her peers and Bayley just isn't that kind of character, so it's no surprise she struggled and looked like a deer in the headlights. Once that happened WWE just pulled the plug.

Yes she is in the John Cena mold, but she excels in the role in a way Cena never has and never will. She is a natural for the role because she is a good person inside and out and because she can wrestle well on top. She is one of the most naturally talented white meat babyfaces you are ever going to find. But watching an underdog take a beating and get back up, watching them face overwhelming odds, and fight through it, and finally get the win in a fair fight is just not something WWE does well anymore.

In WWEs presentation of such a character you get guys like John Cena and Roman Reigns, and they have shown they STILL don't understand why Daniel Bryan got over.

Tom is right, you can save her, and an example of her winning a no dq match, taking a huge beating and reminding the fans that she has and can beat Charlotte will do the job well.

I don't know how it works in WWE when it comes to offense during a match and post match, but little things like taking one last shot while you're getting squashed by a cheater that puts egg on the heels face and makes him look dumb before getting beaten down one last time with a foreign object helps save face. Too often when a babyface is supposed to lose, they just stop on offense all together and there is this feeling of defeat that washes over the live crowd and they just stop caring. If the babyface fires up one last time and makes the heel look stupid in doing it, before being crushed by an illegal object it helps put the heat on the heel and saves the face from looking weak, giving the fans hope for next time.

Jack Swagger actually did a real good job during his program with Rusev of saving face. Swagger always fought to the bitter end, and had these moments where he made you believe he might make a comeback. Ultimately Swagger never got that win over Rusev, but his feud with Rusev was one of the first and only times in his run with the WWE that I found myself wanting to see him win and it was because despite everything he was actually a really good white meat babyface.

Imo it is the biggest missing component in wwes booking of faces these days, establishing that the babyfaces are better wrestlers and can and most likely would win in a fair fight if given the chance. It is a fundamental principle of wrestling and WWE just seems to have lost touch with it, and it ruins ALL of their babyfaces as a result, but especially the white meat babyfaces who are supposed to show they have a passion for the business and a talent at their job and get over with the fans because of it. You chop the knees out from under them by talking trash about them and not allowing them more realistic hope spots, especially at the end of a beat down.
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