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    Posted: 23/November/2018 at 16:14

Not gonna lie, when I heard that the guy financing it has more money than Vince and had more than enough to compete with the WWE, I got chills. 

I really hope this does actually work out. The wrestling world NEEDS new competition for the WWE, real serious competition.

Obviously this is not even in its infancy yet, rather, in its gestational period, but this is something worth watching. All In was a great show, and I'm glad more is coming of it than just another 1-off show. This is more like it. The idea that so many names like J.R. & Chris Jericho are also getting attached to it is likewise interesting. 

For as much as I'd like to get into NJPW, it's too hard to watch their shows in English for free without dealing with a million and one pop-ups and undependable links, etc. Give me ease of access and I'm in.
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WWE definitely need another WCW in their prime level promotion as competition if nothing else just to push WWE to be better, with no real competition WWE are just playing it safe with their booking which more often than not equals boring and predictable, it’s why more often than not I skim through Raw and Smackdown or just watch YouTube clips, nothing is must see, unlike back in the 90’s when Raw was unpredictable and edgy and made you want to watch.

It’s going to take a lot for a promotion to rival WWE though, the best free agent talent they could get would be Chris Jericho and then of course Cody Rhodes and the other Bullet Club guys and they can obviously raid TNA but nobody there has any real name value anymore. They would need to take some real risks and make big cash offers to WWE guys with expiring contracts and dare I say it maybe even outbid Vince to get Lesnar on board as we know he’s all about the money.
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The question is how much is this guy willing to spend? WCW backed by Ted Turner could have been far more lucrative in the mid to late 90s had they managed their money better. They spent too much primarily on low to midcard talent they never really used.

Spending big bucks to bring in Hogan and Savage and Piper while they still had milage left is one thing spending a lot to bring in their brother and some friends you're never going to use is just bad. Buying and sending everyone plane tickets to get to the show regardless of whether or not they're on the show is just stupid.

Not only that but WCWs merchandising and marketing departments were terrible at generating supplemental income. These need to be on the level of any great company because without it you're kind of just hopping around on one leg.

AEW can start out slow but it needs to be a working machine firing on all cylinders, too, right from the very beginning. If it keeps limping along, it's just going to be another ROH or TNA/Impact.

I think the one thing we have seen clearly if not for a probt not seeing the forest for the trees, is that since TNA took a nose dive almost 10 years ago there has been a lot of surprising interest in getting a wrestling company up and running at a very high level. We have heard names floated around like Billy Corgan, and Keith Urban, who had no previous history of ANY interest in wrestling and suddenly they're involved in the business out of no where.

The fans want it, backers want it, but you need a strong nucleus like a TNA circa 2009 or the Bullet/Alpha Club guys to build around and then you need strong money management, someone who can not only make the most of the money you have to spend but get the most money back when they're done so that you're turning a profit. And at the end of the day for the people working at the company, that's all this is really about, being able to provide a living for themselves and their family.

And of course you need to give the fans what they want. TNA stopped doing that once they took the next step to try and make it in the big leagues. The All In guys have had one show and that's it. It was great but it needs to be consistently great.

Talk about an uphill battle. And that's even with a crazy rich backer.

Also, if they do get up and running they simply NEED to formally request a meeting with CM Punk. Love him or hate him his drawing power is bigger than anyone alive. At this stage in the game he could out draw Cena, he could out draw Reigns, he could out draw Lesnar, he could out draw Bryan, he could out draw Styles. And there is an added bonus of if you get Punk you probably get AJ Lee too.

They'd be stupid to not at least formally request a sit down with the Brooks' and put a serious offer on the table.

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This is not capable of being competition for WWE right now. It would take years, probably decades, and a sea change in WWE's ability to promote talent for there to be any real competition for WWE now.
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No one is talking about right now.

Moreover, a company COULD step in to fill a void left by WWE when they launched the WWE Network almost 5 years ago.

Back then they were "just" a big wrestling company with world class talent and high production value.

That could still be done with a billionaire backing the company ala Ted Turner.

To compete with WWE as a company would take far, far more.
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Can't see it was competition for E ever. If they think they can be they will just go the same way as other companies before them.

E are untouchable with their money, back catalogue and worldwide name, to be overtaken by half a dozen indy guys starting their own company.

It would be nothing more than a playtime hobby where money can be thrown at it but it runs at a massive loss.
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It's times like this I wish you guys lived here in the US, because I don't know if you know what a telecom giant AT&T was 20 years ago. No one could even remotely touch AT&T, and then came Verizon Wireless. In roughly 10 years time Verizon became arguably bigger than AT&T and most certainly it's head to head rival. 

WWE from a business standpoint is no different. It's just a company offering a near monopoly hold over the market, but when enough people become dissatisfied, and a couple good backers push the right product and it can rise in almost no time at all to become a rival. 

There is absolutely not one single reason that WWE couldn't have head to head competition with a company that was formed today that controls 45-50% of the market (the other 5% goes to companies like RoH, New Japan, Impact Wrestling, etc., all collectively) in 10 years time, and in 15 years time WWE could be struggling to survive.

Not one single (non government backed) company is untouchable. Not even WWE.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't AT&T and Verizon competing directly for the same customers?

WWE's target audience isn't wrestling fans. It's the reason that you see Brock Lesnar with the title as a crossover star in MMA. It's the reason you have Total Divas for reality TV fans. It's the reason they do Make A Wish, and have The Rock, Cena and The Miz in movies to promote themselves. It's why they throw the first pitches at baseball games and they're allowed to run gaming channels.

AEW would not be competing for the same audience. Ergo, they wouldn't be competition. If anything, AEW would be a threat to NJPW, ROH and the like as the established shows for wrestling fans.
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WWE's target audience isn't JUST wrestling fans. Their philosophy in marketing is in creating NEW wrestling fans. They want wrestling to be main stream. 

If a company like WCW circa 1997 comes around, WWE all but dies.

I get where you're coming from, but wrestling fans are still WWE's bread and butter, and without them WWE has nothing sustainable to keep them afloat. 

That's why NXT is so important for WWE. If NXT didn't exist, in particular the Takeover events, I would be pretty confident that WWE would be pretty bad off. 

Every single week, WWE puts on multiple shows that feature people engaged in pro-wrestling. No matter how much they might try to market to someone else, the goal is not to fill the needs of many different markets, but to create new fans in the same market by being as diverse as possible. They want women to be wrestling fans, they want children to be wrestling fans. They want wrestling to be mainstream and something people from all walks of life can get into and have fun watching, but ultimately the goal is to make new wrestling fans.

And if AEW caters to wrestling fans, and does it like WCW was doing there for a while, then it's like WWE's fanbase is a huge reservoir, and AEW opened the flood gates on WWE reservoir, and used the runoff to fill their own even larger reservoir.

No matter how much WWE might work to diversify their markets, they can not escape the fact that at their core, they're a wrestling company and depend on wrestling fans to survive, and if a company comes a steals them all away as fast as WWE can make new ones, then WWE can't survive.

What's more is that there are hardcore fans that have just plain given up being a fan because there is no place for the hardcore fan to go once they've reached their limit on what they can tolerate of WWE's something for everyone philosophy.

If you can give them their Ric Flairs, they become like a leach that depends on WWE to bring in new life-blood, but can exist and flourish off stealing their viewers. 
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I mean, you're about a quarter right there. 

During Raw and Smackdown programming, yes, the goal is to convert a diverse fanbase but they grow that fanbase outside of those programs. Yes, the goal is to fill the needs of many different markets. That gets the talent over, which gets the show over. Raw and Smackdown is only 5 hours of time. For the rest of it there are sponsorships, philanthropic adventures and cross promotion. The fanbase isn't what you think it is. There's a reason millions of people know Wrestlemania but have no clue about Summerslam, Survivor Series or even the Royal Rumble. 

If a company like WCW circa 1997 came around, WWE would continue with no real affect. WWE has grown immeasurably since then and is making record revenue despite the lower TV ratings. WWE is a national institution. I think it's also fair to ask what the hell you think NJPW, ROH and Impact have been failing so miserably at that they've never even dented WWE yet you think a brand new company with no history, no sponsorship deals and only one recognised draw has a chance of doing better?

WWE's fanbase is not a huge reservoir. Wrestling fans are already inundated with options, whereas sports entertainment fans have one singular option available. WWE isn't a wrestling show, and people who watch for wrestling more often also watch another federation to get their fix. That's why they have NXT, to give people their fix and keep them in house. 

They're not going to take fans from WWE because WWE fans are not just wrestling fans, they're in every walk of life. They are going to take fans away from NJPW, ROH, Impact and the like. Short of hiring The Rock, Roman Reigns, Seth Rollins and Ronda Rousey, nothing is going to change for WWE.

In fact, that's basically what WCW was circa 1997, wasn't it?
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