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Quote Back from commercial break, Renee Young is in the ring for an interview with WWE Champion AJ Styles. AJ comes down to the ring as the Montreal crowd chants his name. She asks AJ about the No DQ stipulation being added to his match with Nakamura on Sunday, and says this is a benefit to Nakamura because he's a con artist and a cheat. AJ brushes off Nakamura's demand for an apology, and says he should have left Nakamura in the desert eating sand. AJ calls Nakamura a coward who attacks from behind and below the belt. AJ says he knows how to break rules too, and says we'll be finding pieces of Nakamura all over the place on Sunday night. Renee asks about Nakamura's demand for an apology again, and AJ says if he wants one he should come out and get one. Samoa Joe's music hits and Joe comes out to interrupt.

Samoa Joe comes down and gets the pop from the crowd. Joe talks trash to AJ about losing his focus, and says he needs to focus on Joe coming for him. Joe says after he beats Reigns at Backlash, his sights are set on the WWE Championship. Joe's music hits, but then Nakamura's music hits to interrupt. Joe looks behind him on the stage, but no one is there. Nakamura comes out of nowhere into the ring from behind and hits another low-blow on AJ.

Nakamura waits for AJ to get up, then starts taunting AJ. Nakamura hits the Kinshasa on the Champion, and then grabs AJ's WWE Title and holds it up. Nakamura drops the belt on AJ and walks off.

As heelish as Sinister Shin was, I would say the crowd reaction was split quite 50/50.
 
I think all these low blows are setting up AJ to retain with a low blow of his own, now it's no DQ.
 
It's too obvious for the heel to win the title just because it's a no DQ contest and he can be really heelish to win the title.
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As heelish as Sinister Shin was, I would say the crowd reaction was split quite 50/50.
 
I think all these low blows are setting up AJ to retain with a low blow of his own, now it's no DQ.
 
It's too obvious for the heel to win the title just because it's a no DQ contest and he can be really heelish to win the title.

trying to steal my idea from The Backlash thread like?

Originally posted by #Heel #Heel wrote:

I am almost 100% confident that AJ Styles will win after hitting Nakamura with a low blow.

There are so many heel tactics that can be used there has been excessive focus on that one particular move it really cant finish any other way
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Originally posted by #Heel #Heel wrote:

trying to steal my idea from The Backlash thread like?
 
The alternative they could have done is have AJ wear a cricket box, Nakamura does the low blow and Styles just laughs at him because it's having no affect at all.
 
Quote AJ Styles (c) vs. Shinsuke Nakamura: This one is a No DQ match with AJ’s World Title is on the line in this one. Nakamura gets in AJ’s face before the match, and the ref pulls them apart for the official ring introductions. The opening bell sounds and AJ immediately pulls Nakamura outside and repeatedly slams him into the fan barricade. Back in the ring, AJ continues the beat down and hits a backbreaker on Nakamura. Nakamura starts firing back with strikes. Nakamura dodges one dropkick from AJ, but AJ connects with the second dropkick. The fight spills outside again and they brawl on the entrance ramp. Nakamura whips AJ into the ring steps, then takes him back in the ring. Nakamura hits several knees to the head and AJ falls down to the floor. Back in the ring, Nakamura stomps on AJ and hits the vibrations in the corner. Nakamura follows up with a knee drop for a two count. Styles gets back up to his face, but Nakamura drops him again with a flying kick to the face. Nakamura beats down AJ around the ringside area now and whips him into the fan barricade. Back in the ring, AJ looks to springboard off the top, but Nakamura stops him and hits a running knee. Nakamura comes off the middle rope with a knee to the face, then he hits a powerbomb for a two count. Nakamura stomps on AJ’s head in the corner, then taunts him. Nakamura walks outside and grabs a steel chair. He brings the chair in the ring and swings, but AJ ducks. AJ blocks several strikes from Nakamura, but Nakamura finally connects with a boot to the face. Nakamura back suplexes AJ on the steel chair laying on the mat. Nakamura sets up in the corner and he charges forward for a Kinshasa, but AJ throws the steel chair at Nakamura to stop him. The chair hits Nakamura’s knee, but bounces off and the chair nails AJ right in the face. AJ is now bleeding from the face. Nakamura hits a kick and both men are down. AJ comes back with the Calf Crusher, but Nakamura escapes. AJ looks for a Styles Clash, but Nakamura escapes and rolls outside. AJ looks for a suicide dive, but Nakamura rolls in the ring to avoid it. AJ grabs Nakamura and hits a suplex into a neckbreaker. Nakamura misses a punch and AJ answers with a Pele kick. Nakamura comes back with a low blow, and AJ answers with a low blow of his own. AJ and Nakamura get to their feet and start trading punches now. Nakamura throws a headbutt, and then they both kick each other in the groin at the exact same, and both men are down. The referee counts, and both men are down for the ten count. The referee counts them both out, so AJ retains the World Title.

Winner: n/a

– AJ Styles recovers at ringside with his WWE Title and gets assisted walking to the back.

Creative continue to be scared of having heel Nak lose a title match.
 
Not sure what kind of match they will think up next. Maybe a ball sack on a pole match is the only way to end this low blow fued.
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Who booked this shit? They should be fired.

This match was actually going well and then it was all thrown away for this. This is a perfect example of why the finish of a match DOES count towards the quality of the match.

I'm actually in favor of draws every now and again, especially on TV but this was the third match between the two, and come on. This was just stupid.
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The match wasnt going badly but i have 2 major problems here ...


1) All of these Jap wrestling loving fans online all over and even the WWE themselves billed the match at Mania in particularly as a Dream Match - we have seen absolutely nothing between the 2 of them, in any match, that would indicate that this is infact a dream match. The in-ring stuff has disappointed on so many levels.

Last night looked like they may be given the time to put that right and finally have that blockbuster - which would have stood out even more on such a shit card, however this leads me to number 2

2) The finishes of the matches. Why can they not have a clean win either way - both of these guys are in a position where a clean loss isnt really going to impact them to such a huge detriment. Infact if AJ lost clean then people would have forgot about it by the time the next weeks episode of Smackdown aired because he is THAT good.

Nakamura could have lost clean and got some retribution in an attack or something else heelish.

Now we are going into major match number 3 and this is where we will probably get a decisive finish - with Nakamura taking the title - the thing is though then AJ gets his rematch which means this feud will have been going on in some capacity for 6 months.

I dont mind long term feuds but they need to be balanced and have wins either side to keep things interesting - false finishes and absolute bullshit like having a double count out in a fucking no disqualification match is just ridiculous and makes people care less about the feud overall.
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This needs to be put here, and I hope it doesn't get taken down by youtube anytime soon.

THIS is what we should have gotten at WrestleMania, and THIS is what should have been one-upped on since then. Instead what we got was utter trash by comparison. People are saying that this latest match is their best outing thus far (in the WWE) but if you have last night's match fresh in your mind and then watch this you can clearly see that the best spots from last nights match came directly from this one, and this one went much further still.

Listen to how the commentators go about their job, even if it's all in Japanese you can hear a real cadence to it, and how they build in excitement as the match progresses and during the rises and falls of the exchanges. They treat it like a sport from every different aspect possible, not just entertainment.

Listen to sound the mat makes when they get slammed onto it. It echoes through the area.

Listen to the crowd. This is what a crowd should sound like. They're quite and respectful when appropriate, yet vocal and into it at the same time. They play their own part in the match and don't go into business for themselves trying to BE the show, or distract from the action in the ring. I LOVE that they clap when a wrestler reaches the ropes.

WWE have yet to deliver action better than what NJPW fans saw in the first 15 minutes of their wrestlekingdom match. The last 10 minutes are far better still.

Nakamura and Styles are far better together than what we've seen thus far in the WWE. This match here is a worthy match for WrestleMania, and what's more, in three years time these two who are still solidly in their prime are more than capable of doing even better.

Nakamura the man deserves a main event spot, but his character hasn't been living up to it, and I SERIOUSLY doubt that's his fault. AJ Styles hasn't even been good in this feud, and I seriously doubt anyone blames him, even though if they're gonna blame Nakamura then they should be blaming Styles, too.

Where the blame should be laid is at the feet of the people holding these two back, who are telling them: "Hey! You know what the finish should be to your match at Backlash? A double kick to the nuts and a failure to stand up and meet the 10 count!" Those are the people that should be blamed. The ones shackling these two and preventing them from putting on an instant classic.

Seriously, skip to about 10-12 minutes in and just watch the bell-to-bell on their wrestlekingdom match. You can see how things have DEvolved for them in the WWE.
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Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

I'm actually in favor of draws every now and again,
 
You'd make an excellent cricket fan where a test match can last for five days (playing times roughly 11-1, 140-340, 400-630/700) and still can end in a draw LOL
 
Quote It was noted over the weekend that the AJ Styles vs. Shinsuke Nakamura match was originally pencilled in as the main event of last night's WWE Backlash PPV. The reason this was switched up and the match did not end the show is because of the way the finish was booked. With the fact that neither wrestler was able to get up before the referee's ten count, WWE did not want to end the PPV on that note and so the order of matches was shuffled around.
 
That makes sense. Having a PPV go off air with a shoddy draw finish would have been bad booking.
 
The crowd let their feelings be known and it's probably damaged AJ because he's struggling to put away his heel challenger.
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Yeah would have been a awful PPV finish so it was the right call with the match order.

By far the best match in their series so far, Nakamura is excellent as a heel and hopefully the next match will be even better, I'm guessing it will be some sort of gimmick match.
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Quote AJ Styles and Shinsuke Nakamura are likely headed for another match, with a stipulation this time. According to the latest Wrestling Observer Newsletter, a "Last Man Standing" match has been discussed.
 
That makes sense when you think that the last match between them neither were standing.
 
If the same situation is booked again, both can stay down a couple of minutes if they want and the ref can't stop it.
 
I hope the next time they face eachother is the last time, as we don't want to get sick of seeing them against eachother by it happening too often.
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This feud is getting as boring as Roman and Brock. This double count out or double DQ or no decision is stale. They need to move on from this ridiculous feud and give us something with more substance. At first, this was something really special at mania but now how lost its bling. Shinsuke could make a decent heel, but he is so well over it's hard to cheer against him. The real heels of the day are the ones WWE try to push on the fans a faces. Ex. Roman or Jason Jordan.
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