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Opinions are like assholes Kon, everybodys got one ...

I'm selfish in NO way. I'm a kind person and genuinley care about others but what people do behind their own doors is their buisness be it right or wrong. I'm not saying its right, I'm saying its not my buisness ...

If a dad kills his kid, or vice versa, The kid/Dad must have done somethin' real bad for the kid/dad 2 do that ... that's my guess. Maybe the kid/dad is crazy, but if so they should have gotten help for it. Not my problem. I have 2 worry if I eat, or if my family eats, if they're all safe ... shit like that. God will judge accordingly @ the gates ...

I understand your point that an unborn baby is a life. No doubt the case, but there's a difference between living in the world and living in a stomach. I would never condone a late abortion or anything like that but when its in the1st 2 months or so I don't see the harm. The picture I seen in the 1 page was nasty but shit like that is irresponsible and should have never been accepted in the 1st place as an abortion. Its 2 late for shit like that ...

If Beyonce had an abortion its not my buisness, its not your buisness, its not anyone on here or anywhere else's buisness. That's her buisness ...






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Originally posted by MegaManXXV MegaManXXV wrote:

Opinions are like assholes Kon, everybodys got one ...

You and me both pal. 

And I wasn't meaning to call you yourself selfish; more so that mindset. 

I have always believed that responsible members of society have a DUTY, not just a right but a duty, to speak up about things that they see as wrong and try to do something about it. That's where you and I disagree; beyond disagreeing about abortion. 

And I also believe that God will judge us at the gate; but one thing He will also judge is whether we turned a blind eye to things or not. The "good Samaritan" was rewarded. People who let shit happen and walk away will be judged by The Man Upstairs according to that also. 


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True about the samaritan, but that's that type of person ..

Not every man is made with the same emotions or thoughts. That's what makes this an interesting world. I was raised 2 not tell. If you see sometin', you forget it and keep it movin'. You've gotta watch your own back. Worrying about other peoples problems can get you in trouble. So you mind your buisness ...

its about bein' a rat and bein' a stand up guy. You mind your buisness and that's that ...

The lord loves us all no matter how we think. I may turn the eye, but I pray. Because prayer will help cleanse the soul. I always ask for forgivness for my sins and for the sins of others, and I ask him 2 bless me and my family with good days. As long as that's all fine, I'm ok. As long as I can wake up and call my mom, I'm good.

Life is what you make it .. we all choose our own destiny ...


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Originally posted by MegaManXXV MegaManXXV wrote:

The lord loves us all no matter how we think. I may turn the eye, but I pray. Because prayer will help cleanse the soul. I always ask for forgivness for my sins and for the sins of others, and I ask him 2 bless me and my family with good days. As long as that's all fine, I'm ok. As long as I can wake up and call my mom, I'm good.

For real, this is good. I give you props. Wink

What I am about to say is beyond a disagreement about abortion but rather is about the bigger picture that this thread has taken of two opposing philosophies of life that you and I have. 

No, I don't like rats; and I know what happens to rats. But there are times when I believe stuff should be said. It depends on the situation. If I see a robbery; I most likely would turn my face. If I see a dude yank a purse from the arms of a lady; my ass is running after that guy. If I see a terrorist setting up a bomb; damn shit I'm telling the first cop I see or if there isn't one I'm on the phone calling 911. And if I didn't; that would be on my conscience. Forever. 

I agree that every person chooses his own destiny (except babies that are aborted that don't get to); but I don't believe it's a good idea to walk through life being passive and isolated in a way, not necessarily isolated to one's self but isolated to one's own family and things that are in their inner circle of life. 

And sometimes worrying about other people's problems may mean getting into trouble, but people need to take what that comes with. Rosa Parks "got into trouble", but she made a difference. Martin Luther King Jr. "got into trouble"; but he made a difference for everyone. As did all of our Founding Fathers. As did anyone in the military who lost their lives fighting for freedom. I know I am not fit to wipe any of their boots. But if one believes in something, a difference can be made. And if any of those people had the isolated, keep to one's self attitude that you advocate; then nothing would ever have changed. 

And sometimes God uses people to do good things to help others. That doesn't mean every pro lifer was told to fight abortion by God; but it does mean that there are times people should think of all humanity, all God's children, and at times act to help them. 

And I never intended anything I said to be judging. God will judge us all as you said. I'm just stating how I see it. 


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After the debate in the miscarriage thread thought I'd bump this thread as well.

My opinion on abortion is while its a sad situation that in a perfect world would never happen I'm not against it at all if its the right decision.
Accidents happen and many woman get pregnant genuinely by accident and are not in a position to raise a child, be it financially, due to the impact it would have on their career and/or lifestyle or even just simply the fact they do not want children. I don't view abortion as murder like some people do because its not like your taking a newborn baby and shooting him/her in the head.

I've said this before I think but I also think there should be stricter rules regarding teenage pregnancy, for example if a girl under 16 gets pregnant I would support a law where the parents of the girl in question are able to decide if she keeps the baby or not, reason being I don't think many, if any, girls that young are mature enough to realise what being a parent is all about and don't have what it takes to raise a child. This is why the UK is over-run with young Mums living in council flats and the kid will probably have a ASBO before he/she reaches double figures in age.
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Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

After the debate in the miscarriage thread thought I'd bump this thread as well.

My opinion on abortion is while its a sad situation that in a perfect world would never happen I'm not against it at all if its the right decision.
Accidents happen and many woman get pregnant genuinely by accident and are not in a position to raise a child, be it financially, due to the impact it would have on their career and/or lifestyle or even just simply the fact they do not want children. I don't view abortion as murder like some people do because its not like your taking a newborn baby and shooting him/her in the head.

I've said this before I think but I also think there should be stricter rules regarding teenage pregnancy, for example if a girl under 16 gets pregnant I would support a law where the parents of the girl in question are able to decide if she keeps the baby or not, reason being I don't think many, if any, girls that young are mature enough to realise what being a parent is all about and don't have what it takes to raise a child. This is why the UK is over-run with young Mums living in council flats and the kid will probably have a ASBO before he/she reaches double figures in age.
 
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Donegal was the only part of Republic Of Ireland that voted to keep abortions banned. 66% said they should be made legal, so the law is changing. Only 64% of those who could vote could be arsed to, which is really bad. I have debated this with Fletcher on former poster Ministry Hunters Facey page as he mentioned it (and is Irish so close to the matter). I said I would have voted yes to abortions being allowed if........

1) The life of the mother could be in danger.
2) The life of the child could be in danger.
3) The child could be born disabled or handicapped.
4) The child is already dead. Having to carry a dead body the full term is just disgusting.
5) The woman is pregnant due to being raped.
6) She made a mistake. We all make them, we shouldn't judge.
7) Contraception didn't work. They aren't 100% right. Condom could split for example.

The only downside I had a problem with is if the woman continues to make the same old dumb mistakes of having unprotected sex and wants to get rid of yet another healthy baby growing inside her. Hospitals are skint and waiting lists for serious things are way too long. If someone wants to waste the time and money of others so they can get shut of a third or fourth kid for her, I don't agree with that. 

Especially as they are thousands of couples that spend thousands of pounds on IVF that may still not result in them being a parent. Have the kid, then get it adopted so out of your own stupid mistake the child that didn't ask you to have it, can have an actual life, instead of it being ended through no fault of it's own.
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We take very different approach here yet arrive at much the same place. My whole take on it is that a woman shouldn't be punished by law for an abortion. But I don't think they should try and pretend it's anything but killing an unborn child either.

I don't think lying to yourself and saying a fetus isn't human life is acceptable when you're taking that lie and trying to get the scientific world to back you up. When it comes to animals if an egg is fertilized we say that's a Duck egg, or an alligator egg, and if you step on that egg no one tries to say you just smashed a collection of cells, no they say you killed the unhatched animal.

Legally, if you shoot a pregnant woman and the woman and the 'fetus' dies, you still get prosecuted for a double murder. So let's not play stupid word games and say that you're not killing an unborn baby.

As for the reasoning behind doing it, fine, whatever. The mom's life is more important, and there's a number of reasons where I personally would be quite understanding, but I think it's better in most cases if the baby is birthed and then adopted out to people who want it. If the woman is just using abortion as their choice for birth control, then that woman should get punched in the face and sadly there are more than a few who have gone on record to say that's exactly how they view abortions.
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I am pro choice so I think a woman should be allowed to get an abortion if they wish but I think they should at least talk to an neutral doctor about the process and what it entails and have access to councelling if needed afterwards.

For me I don't care why they decide to get one but I belive they should have the choice. Society will judge people who get abortions harshly enough. And I do know a young woman who has had 3 abortions and has been told she may not be able to conceive again....She is a silly cow who needs to stop fucking anyone who shows even slight in trestle in her but I still think she should have the choice if she does get knocked up
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Originally posted by admin admin wrote:

I said I would have voted yes to abortions being allowed if........

1) The life of the mother could be in danger.
2) The life of the child could be in danger.
3) The child could be born disabled or handicapped.
4) The child is already dead. Having to carry a dead body the full term is just disgusting.
5) The woman is pregnant due to being raped.
6) She made a mistake. We all make them, we shouldn't judge.
7) Contraception didn't work. They aren't 100% right. Condom could split for example.



I'm sort of in agreement here but point 3 is slightly harsh.

If you mean disabled or handicapped to the point where it would have no life, then yes i agree but something like downs syndrome - then no i do not because the child can still have a perfectly good life.

Cant emphasise number 5 enough - this would be my primary consideration for this vote alone - if a woman has been raped then there is no way she should have to go through the full term of pregnancy constantly being reminded of what happened to her (as if she wont be traumatised enough)

6 is not a good enough reason and a point that i 100% disagree with. Making a mistake? really? You shouldnt just get pregnant on a whim and therefore shouldnt be able to make the call to kill an unborn child on a whim neither.

7 would be difficult to prove - it could be used as an excuse for point 6.
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